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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2011, 10:48 am »

Well, Zuccotti Park was evacuated this morning. Here is Bloomberg's official statement. There was also a court order demanding evidence of cause from Bloomberg and demanding the protesters be allowed back in the park. So far, Bloomberg's ignored it. There was a media blackout during the evacuation, and it sounds like subways and bridges were closed. I can't find official confirmation of that, but on my way into work the trains were all running on different lines. It's difficult to argue with Bloomberg's official statement, but it's really just political maneuvering. There are ways to deal with health and safety issues that could involve working with the protesters rather than shutting them down.
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2011, 03:23 am »

Here is one officer from last night protecting and serving in Zuccotti:







note: white shirts on NYPD mean that the officer is high-ranking enough that they are in primarily an administrative job. They are the bosses rather than the people walking the street, and they tend to be the ones who get the most complaints of brutality.

edit: from tonight in Occupy Seattle's protest:


Seattle activist Dorli Rainey, 84, reacts after being hit with pepper spray during an Occupy Seattle protest on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at Westlake Park. Protesters gathered in the intersection of 5th Avenue and Pine Street after marching from their camp at Seattle Central Community College in support of Occupy Wall Street. Many refused to move from the intersection after being ordered by police. Police then began spraying pepper spray into the gathered crowd hitting dozens of people. A pregnant woman was taken from the melee in an ambulance after being struck with spray. Photo: JOSHUA TRUJILLO / SEATTLEPI.COM
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2011, 03:48 am »

Just look at that first picture with Sgt. Puncho. Look at it.

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2011, 08:43 pm »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQCpXM-Sm4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhQCpXM-Sm4</a>
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2011, 11:55 pm »

Just look at that first picture with Sgt. Puncho. Look at it.

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Going by the bars on his collar I think that's Captain Puncho to you
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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2011, 03:19 pm »

Do you think Captain Puncho just flushed his career down the pan?

Or do you think it'll be the same as what happens to dodgy cops here in Britain; they get promoted out of the limelight, or they take early, full retirement.
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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2011, 04:39 pm »

He'll probably get a medal.
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2011, 05:50 pm »

Especially since Obama's response thus far has been to handle it "how you see fit."

The picture of the maced old lady makes me sick to my stomach...
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2011, 07:23 pm »

Do you think Captain Puncho just flushed his career down the pan?

Or do you think it'll be the same as what happens to dodgy cops here in Britain; they get promoted out of the limelight, or they take early, full retirement.

He's already in a high enough position where he makes somewhere around $130K a year prior to benefits, this guy isn't going anywhere, the last guy who got in trouble for violence against nonthreatening people in OWS, Tony Balogne (income around $150K a year), who already had multiple complaints against him for violence against nonthreatening people, just got put on a desk job for a while. No suspension or anything.
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2011, 08:26 pm »

So I guess your police force is basically the same as it is in the movies, then.
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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2011, 09:39 pm »

When someone in the NYPD is a whiteshirt, as opposed to a blue shirt like the black guy in the 2nd and 3rd pictures, they are someone who's primary job is administrative and they are highly ranked. 5% of the NYPD are lieutenants or higher these are the white shirts, they are the bosses, not the guys usually walking the streets. A lieutenant is making in the neighborhood of $100K before benefits, and it really is a fairly high rank. These guys don't have to interact with the public on a daily basis, and these guys are career officers who usually have 15 or 20 or more years in the police department. They are not going anywhere just for punching or pepper spraying people.

I don't have a problem with them not being fired for punching or pepper spraying people who did not need punching or pepper spraying. I think they should be given additional training, have to take some anger management sessions, and some sort of temporary suspension without pay, about 2 weeks. Additionally, the victim should be allowed to sue the officer and the police department for damages.
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2011, 03:46 pm »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6gv3eZoOCE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6gv3eZoOCE</a>

Anyone know more about this? I know Paid Detail Units are real, so I'm just interested in the specific claims about cops being hired by Wall Street corporations to squelch protests.

This has been reported by some other news sources, but I'm not familar with them and have no idea if they're trustworthy.
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2011, 04:32 am »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxaLKsFdcjk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxaLKsFdcjk</a>
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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2011, 08:47 am »

Anyone know more about this? I know Paid Detail Units are real, so I'm just interested in the specific claims about cops being hired by Wall Street corporations to squelch protests.

This has been reported by some other news sources, but I'm not familar with them and have no idea if they're trustworthy.
Infowars is an Alex Jones venture. They're as trustworthy as a paper-maché I-beam.

That's not to say this couldn't be real. I'm just saying you should get your info elsewhere.
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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2011, 12:33 pm »

In relation to the three videos of UC Davis police pepper spraying the sitting protesters, there is a decision from the 9th federal circuit court:

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HEADWATERS FOREST DEFENSE v. COUNTY OF HUMBOLDT

    Characterizing the protestors' activities as “active resistance” is contrary to the facts of the case, viewing them, as we must, in the light most favorable to the protestors:  the protestors were sitting peacefully, were easily moved by the police, and did not threaten or harm the officers. In sum, it would be clear to a reasonable officer that it was excessive to use pepper spray against the nonviolent protestors under these circumstances.
There has been a court of appeals ruling on use of pepper spray for people sitting with locked arms, pepper spraying them is excessive force.
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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2011, 01:23 pm »

The disdain for the people is just disgusting to see.  He acts like he's basically spaying weeds, couldn't give less shit about the concept that it's people sitting there.
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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2011, 02:33 pm »

So a major lobbying firm's memo to the American Bankers Association was leaked: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/CLGF-msnbc.pdf

They say they will destroy the Occupy movement for $850,000. The American Bankers Association has confirmed that they received the memo and say that it was unsolicited and that they did not act on it.

for more:
http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/19/8896362-exclusive-lobbying-firms-memo-spells-out-plan-to-undermine-occupy-wall-street-video
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« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2011, 06:04 pm »

I have to pull you up here Fermun, they say they will:

  • Identify who is backing/funding/leading OWS and why (George Soros is named, big shock there) and if they are as cynical as a political opponent or a frothing extremist then their movement will be discredited;
  • Sit on Facebook all day so they can watch what OWS people talk about;
  • Come up with a list of other companies or "footprints" that may be turned into some kind of loose coalition; and
  • Come up with a plan for how much advertising to do and where.

See they're not offering to destroy Occupy, they're offering to come up with a strategic action plan with a host of value-adds so that the bankers and their broad coalition of traditional and non-traditional associates can synergistically leverage their combined footprints to counteract the Democratic party if the dems try to embrace the OWS movement.
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2011, 12:54 am »

From UC Davis tonight:


Students formed a corridor made by linking arms, through which they wanted Chancellor Katehi to have a "walk of shame." Chancellor Katehi did not come out for several hours.


A liaison from the students went inside to talk to Chancellor Katehi between a mediator. A decision was reached where students would stand only on one side, the Chancellor's car would be driven to the end of the road, and the Chancellor would walk to the car and leave peacefully.


Chancellor Katehi comes out and is met by a silent group of students.


Chancellor Katehi walks what students dubbed a "walk of shame" down the corridor of students.


Chancellor Katehi gets into her car after walking down a corridor of silent students.



Photos and captions are from Brian Nguyen's flickr album

and a video:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ0t9ez_EGI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ0t9ez_EGI</a>
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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2011, 12:34 pm »

Open Letter to Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi
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